When I came back from Lismore this morning, I was greeted with a tag from Melanie Jewell on Jonathan Mitchell’s Autistic Writer page. I already knew about this thread, but what happened after I commented took the cake!
Here’s how it started. Pal put a visitor comment on Mitchell’s page;
Electroshock therapy is proven to treat disabling part of autism. I guarantee this therapy would transform, once violent retarded autistic person to near normal functional autistic person.
He linked an article from the inconsistent Slate.com, which was lacking in scientific back up and relied totally on unproven anecdotal evidence. This therapy is dangerous – indeed as I reflected in reply to Pal’s comment and link;
Totally banned in Australia – and rightly so. Get off your high horse.
I posted that a little over a week ago and Pal came back with this;
It proven to treat severe depression, schizophrenia, intellectual disability and challenging behaviour of autism. Electric shock therapy would reset the brain, in order for the brain to remove the challenging behaviour.
Reset the brain? You can’t reset the brain – that’s impossible! Well in theory brain surgery could do it, but practice in another matter! And Melanie barged in with this accurate reflection, and from a scientist;
You LIAR! It has been proven to do no such thing! Phil’s right – it’s been banned in Australia. Because it killed people or harmed them for life, as it did to legendary rock singer the late Stevie Wright.
I would have invoked Stevie as well. Good call, Mel! The infamous Deep Sleep therapy at Chelmsford Hospital was responsible for all that.
But it was only this morning that I saw this when Melanie tagged me in her responding comment;
Don’t want to hear your stupid disability rights propaganda. Electroshock therapy is proven to remove unwanted behaviour because it’s the only way to fix unwanted behaviors and they resist other ways to remove it. (suicidal behavior, deep depression, self harm, being violent to others, schizophrenia and drug abusers)
I’ll paste what Melanie said first;
You are a threat to society. Phil Gluyas you’re the expert. Get him arrested for this!
My reply was simple;
Unfortunately, Melanie, this isn’t a matter for the police. I wish it was – it would make things simpler. What he needs is to be restrained and admitted to the psychiatric ward at the Dandenong Hospital.
I then linked this blog entry and this, Pal, is for you.
Your rhetoric supports the Judge Rotenburg Center in the US. It’s totally unacceptable. ECT is NOT proven to work by science. Melanie knows it – she’s a scientist. That article (as I reflected above) is anecdotal and nothing more than speculation. ECT is dangerous. It carries intense risk. Jolting the brain in any way, shape or form is inherently risky. It does not cure Autism and never has. Autistic behaviours have other methods available to curb – and I mean the dangerous ones (self injury and intent to injure others as the obvious examples). The first port of call is to understand why they happen, and just labelling them Autistic isn’t enough information. There’s a sensory overload there and this needs to be found and dealt with. The cases quoted in the Slate article would have been from cases where an overload was dealt with as a sheer fluke by ECT. Flukes aren’t science. Electric shock is bad for the body – I know. I was jolted once. Did it change me? No it didn’t. Was I already Autistic? Yes I was – even though I didn’t know it at the time.
The JRC is facing closure attempts. I know of one court case, but I can’t locate it as the US court system is not as easy to search as the Australian.
But I do know that ECT is banned in Australia as I have said before. It deserves no support. This isn’t about disability rights. This is about human rights. ECT goes against the rights of a human being to be themselves – disability or no disability. Violent behaviours are treated by going to the source of the behaviour and solving that. And that is usually from an external source – a bad influence from within the individual’s family or social circle.
Also, Pal has opened another page. This one was originally called “Hating autism” but it was later changed to “Defeat autism now”. On the list of links are;
1. The Mitchell Newsweek article, with a claim that he is telling the truth – to which Sam Redfern rejoined “No he isn’t”.
2. John Best’s New Hampshire governor page, asking readers to follow it – to which Sam commented not to and added rightly that Best was a maniac.
3. Mitchell’s interview with Autism Live from early 2015 (I already took that apart on Mitchell’s Gadfly)
4. A photo that was linked on a page title “Get ‘Exterminate all Autistics’ BANNED”
5. A share of Melanie’s screenshot of Pal’s comment just above about disability rights. This one is the one that Melanie saw first and she commented;
You at this again, Dang? Stop lying about autism.
It was appropriate because Pal had said of the screenshot and Melanie’s retort (“This is a disgrace! This man is dangerous. Seriously.”);
Wow. Neurodivesity claims that wound shouldn’t be healed and to be left infected. What a shame that disability rights claim that disability shouldn’t be cured and trivialize it.
Sam Redfern gave this the appropriate rejoinder;
Healed? Infected? Last I looked autism wasn’t a disease.
It’s not! Sam’s spot on. And then Christine McKewen came in with this;
You are the one trivialising the issue, Dang Pal.
That caused Pal to show his level of stupid;
Me trivializing autism? Lol. Why should I buy some disabled right bullshit? They just saying that they disabled by society because they claim that society abuse them when they did nothing to them
What rot! And Melanie was spot on with this reply;
Society DOES abuse them! Why do you think there’s a Disability Discrimination Act? To try to prevent it!!
And I can talk through experience on that one! Australia Post and the Defence Department!
Christine also added to the first link the following;
JM is talking his own hardships that he brought on himself. Nothing to do with autism.
Pal struck back with this blatant lie;
No. Neurodivesity deny the negative side of autism and sweep it under the rug. He struggled because of his autism. Next.
Melanie tagged me in her reply to that;
No he struggled because society wouldn’t let him be him. And according to Phil Gluyas and a few others his mother neglected him as well. No on denies the negative side of autism. You are denying the positive side.
I can’t add to that except to remind Pal of the details of Mitchell’s mother’s neglect – insisting on trying to cure his autism instead of living with it like every other parent at the time did after being falsely accused of being bad parents and therefore the autism was their fault.
On the second link, Christine added to Sam’s comment by calling Best a liar. Pal called best “hilarious”, to which Melanie said;
No he’s not. He’s dangerous because he’s serious.
And to prove it I added the link to my victory over Best, pointing out that it proved that he was not just a liar but a full blown defamer.
On the fourth link, Christine made the obvious point;
You didn’t read the comments did you? This is fake.
Pal struck back with two comments;
This therapy is legit. This guy from India is a registered therapist that treats autism and brings hope for those who are afflicted with autism. Neurodivesity is wrong again.
Show me the evident that this treatment is fake?
Melanie provided the perfect rebuttal;
It’s faith based. There is no faith based “medicine” that has ever cured anything let alone autism. Registered therapist be damned.
To back that up, Pal should have looked at the profile of Ashwani Kumar. There are no medical qualifications there, and there is mention of spirituality. The university Kumar claims to have studied at seems to be a place for exclusive study of that subject. Pal’s fallen for a con artist.
Finally, there was another link – to Mitchell’s “Neurodiversity: Just say No” article, and Melanie pointed out;
Einstein was autistic. So was Mozart and a number of other people. The essay you are talking about is junk.
The way this is going at the moment, I may be opening a new blog. We’ll see.